[wsf-dev] Face-to-Face Recap

[Brett McDowell]

This is helpful, thanks.

It looks like it was full of interesting conversation.

What decisions were reached, i.e. what is now behind us vs. still in  
front of us because of this meeting?

|| Brett

On May 25, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Curtis wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> I thought I'd recap this week's face-to-face meeting in DC for  
> those who were not able to attend.
>
> The meeting was held on Wednesday 23-May-07 in a very nice  
> conference facility in the same Georgetown University building that  
> houses Chad's office.  We got started at 10:00 with the following  
> attendees:
>
> - Asa Hardcastle
> - Curtis Jones
> - Conor Cahill
> - George Fletcher
> - Chad La Joie
>
> It was a free-flowing dialogue that included the following subjects  
> (in sequence):
>
> 1) Asa began a discussion of the somewhat parallel activities  
> occurring in the (very active) OpenID project and we explored the  
> technical and community issues around embracing OpenID under ID- 
> WSF.  George mentioned some early integration/translation work done  
> by Paul a few years ago, but that has apparently been on the shelf  
> for some time.  We ultimately agreed that there would definitely be  
> value in having some support for/integration with OpenID, but that  
> we should focus our immediate energy on getting the working WSC  
> toolkit (with SAML bootstrapping) and contemplate OpenID afterwards.
>
> 2) We briefly discussed some tactical steps required to get the  
> tangible implementation fully rolling.  We talked about the chicken/ 
> egg scenario around the WSP/WSC and some ideas for leveraging  
> existing code (e.g., Conor's) to get past this.
>
> 3) Next, we talked about XML tooling and went into some depth  
> around marshalling and unmarshalling and the appropriate  
> granularity of elements to be marshalled/unmarshalled.  Chad  
> explained some of the flexibility available to the developer using  
> his tooling to decide the appropriate granularity for the  
> application at hand.  We discussed the somewhat tedious/burdensome  
> nature of building the required sets of methods for each element to  
> be marshalled/unmarshalled -- and some future ideas for minimizing  
> this.  We also talked briefly about the required WSC-interface  
> "glue" that will be necessary for any new WSP -- and that it would  
> seem logical that the developer of the WSP would be responsible for  
> at least a basic implementation of this glue.
>
> 4) Next, at my request, Conor walked us through his C++ client  
> implementation (file/folder organization, source, scripts,  
> environment variables, etc.) and his Java service implementation.   
> This was enlightening and segued into other subjects, including:
>
> a) A discussion of library organization.  There seemed to be  
> agreement on exposing each distinct ID-WSF step at the WSC library  
> level, and then providing a high-level/abstracted interface that  
> would likely bundle some of these steps into logical "chunks".
>
> b) A discussion of code generation techniques and their pros &  
> cons, including WSDLs and how they are supported/not supported in  
> various frameworks (e.g., Axis).
>
> 5) Finally, we had Chad give us a similar walk-through of his XML  
> tooling code/environment.  We discussed the 3 primary projects  
> we'll be focusing on: opensaml2, openws, and xmltooling -- with  
> detailed discussion on the latter.  We talked about how data is  
> fully separated from logic, with XML objects simply serving as data  
> stores and logic residing above this.  This conversation also  
> segued into ancillary discussions, including one on containers and  
> their related issues (e.g., related bugs in Axis).
>
> At this point, we had reached 4:00 (having continued our meeting  
> through lunch) at which point we wrapped up.  Conor had a hard stop  
> as he was about to embark on a long drive to Florida.  To the other  
> participants, please feel free to make corrections and/or fill in  
> any omissions in my summary.
>
> All in all, it was a very productive and enlightening meeting.   
> Many thanks to everyone who participated -- and particularly to Asa  
> for pulling this together and leading the agenda -- and to Chad for  
> graciously hosting the meeting.
>
> - Curtis
>
> Curtis Jones
> curtis at upto11.com
>
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